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can you please elaborate?
who is (v), is it myself?
# yups...if i remember well u were active on the thread in which somebody had proposed a new understanding for rabb alaalameen!
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also I'm not playing with any marks, the fact is clear the word has the same exact letters for the three meanings, and I have been always the same, if the mutiple meanings do not create a contradiction then I'm happy to consider all mutiple meanings as valid
# let me reiterate what i had said at freeminds:
aalim, aalam et al come from i-l-m which is concerned with "knowing" and its forms! however, tashkeel plays an important role and might lend different meanings to various inflections; thus, aalam is not the same as aalim, nor is aalameen the same as aalimeen!
if i were to toss away tashkeels then i would, perhaps, ve lil ground to challenge that bloke's proposition about rabb alaalameen; and perhaps neither of us (between him and me) would be able to prove r position!
## salam, bud...take care! (-:
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Excuse me mate, the above is dismissed, this is because you need to prove it by a link, I won't trust your memory, sorry
# i had to re-visit freeminds to come up wid somethin to vindicate my memory! :-S
and I still don't get what you are trying to come up with
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n u aint need 2 b sorry, bud!
so far, of course I don't
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nor do u need 2 trust my memory...
I don't, sorry
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but dismissin my comment before givin me a chance to provide a link is a sad thing to do! perhaps ur own memory is not standing u in good stead here, bud...so here u go:
holy crap, I still donlt get hat sad thing you are talking about
here is what I'm saying all along:
the word in some verses is Aalameen (the worlds)
the word in other verses is Aalimeen (the knowlegeable)
why donlt you quote hat I said there in here and compare with what I said in my thread to prove what you are describing as sad?
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# it is not aalameen in those 2 verses...it is aalimeen!
EXACTLY bro
Thanks
Is that all?
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...i had made a distinctin between the understanding of aalameen and aalimeen, and u have endorsed it! luckily, i found ur own words, else u wld have suffered cuz of not trustin my memory!
holy crap, and I'm still endorsing it pal, I can't see that what I said there contradict what i said here, are you such confused, this is indeed sad
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also it seems you got it totally wrong, if you read my comment again, but slowly this time and without being on the objection side before hand and you should read that I said Rab Al Aalameen means the Lord of the worlds
Did you manage to do that?
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# plz read again my second post in this thread...i clearly acknowledge that u have made an exception where aalameen is preceded by "rabb"...the only difference between what the member at freeminds said and what u are sayin is that he didnt make any exception; and i do appreciate his consistency!
No I didn't make an exception, it seems you totally misunderstood what I said, well, what I said that if the word preceded by the word Rab then most likely it means Worlds, however if you found one that preceded with the word Rab and does mean knowlegeable then that is fine, I'm happy to accept that, possibly I found some myself,
no hat is contradictory about that?
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in reply to my (second) post (here), u came up with a "very valid proposal" by a "kafir" at ffi...don't know how his rehashing the tashkil usage and coming up with aalamain contributed!
and it is still 100% valid, forget the tashkil, let's just talk pronounciation, yes it has to be valid as Aalamain to mean Two worlds
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I really don't know what you are going on about so far
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cool!
I still don't get it, pal
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hmmm, it seems that you totally missed what I'm talking about, please read my long comment again
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# i did read...
and misunderstood
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The following example is very interesting, Allah is telling us about Himself, that He is knowledgeable and because Allah uses plural for Himself, instead of calling Himself �?????�????�???�??�?�¢??Aalim�?????�????�???�??�?�¢?? which is singular, He called Himself Aalimeen
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...and i wonder why u raised a point as moot as god using (plural) "aalimeen" for itself...surely, "haafizeen" is another example! so i don't know what was "very interesting" about god using aalimeen for itself!
It was pondering, pal
why you are picking on it?
well, I say the best course of action to you is to reply to every verse in my comment, this is the second time I tell you so and yet you failed to do so and just acting silly
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# n i still don't c why u have chosen to translate aalameen as "knowledgeable" where u have, something which, at best, is speculation; whereas v know that the correct word for knowledgeable is aalimeen!
in which verse exactly?
for the third time, whay don't you reply to EVERY VERSE IN MY COMMENT and stop acting silly?
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## anyway...i don't really fancy busyin myself wid "what if..." discussions...so this should be the end of it from my side! i look forward to ur translation of the fifth chapter!
### take care, bud! (-:
how about you fancy busyin yourself by replying to EVERY VERSE IN MY COMMENT
thanks and take care
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Mon 11 Feb, 2008 5:12 pm
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Salam All
I really don't know what brother The is going on about, for me he is only ranting without any atom weight of merit
here is what I said all along on any web site, at any time frame
the word : Alif, Lam, Ain, Alif, Lam, Meem, Ya, Noon
The last word in the above verse has to be "Aalimeen:, i.e. Knowledgeable
here is how the verse is recited by Sheikh Al Ghamdy, please listen to the last word carefully and he has to prnounce it Aalimeen, with a Kasirah under the Lam, you can even see the Kasirah in the arabic text above:
I have repeated the last word a few times so you can hear it well:
Now here is the most popular translations to the above verse 30:22
YUSUFALI: And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the variations in your languages and your colours: verily in that are Signs for those who know.
PICKTHAL: And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. Lo! herein indeed are portents for men of knowledge.
SHAKIR: And one of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth and the diversity of your tongues and colors; most surely there are signs in this for the learned. [The Quran ; 30:22]
I rest my case
Salam
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Mon 11 Feb, 2008 5:57 pm
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may mean three things:
1) Worlds if pronounced "Aalameen"
2) Knowledgeable if pronounced "Aalimeen"
3) Two worlds if pronounced "Aalamain"
# so if pronounced aalameen it should be "worlds"...according to u!
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[The Quran ; 30:22]
The last word in the above verse has to be "Aalimeen:, i.e. Knowledgeable
here is how the verse is recited by Sheikh Al Ghamdy, please listen to the last word carefully and he has to prnounce it Aalimeen, with a Kasirah under the Lam, you can even see the Kasirah in the arabic text above:
# if u listen to the same ghamdy reciting 29:15, u will hear him pronounce it "aalameen"...u can play it over as many times as u want, till it becomes clear to u! next, check the arabic text, u will even see the kasirah over laam in there!
# ergo, in 29:15 it should be read as "aalameen" and understood as worlds...goin by wat u urself write!
so unless u start playing with the tashkeel...a la "kafir"...u ve no justification for saying that in 29:15 the word should be read as "aalimeen"!
again, u provided arabic text and ghamdy's recitation as proofs of somethin, so it would be behooving to accept ur own proofs and acknowledge that in 29:15 it is "worlds" and not "knowledgeable"! ofcourse, u dont need to!
## again...many non-muslims and wannabes attempt playin wid tashkil, and i dont concern myself wid dem; nor am i goin to concern myself with u over this!
# take care, bud...salam! (-:
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Mon 11 Feb, 2008 7:26 pm
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may mean three things:
1) Worlds if pronounced "Aalameen"
2) Knowledgeable if pronounced "Aalimeen"
3) Two worlds if pronounced "Aalamain"
# so if pronounced aalameen it should be "worlds"...according to u!
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[The Quran ; 30:22]
The last word in the above verse has to be "Aalimeen:, i.e. Knowledgeable
here is how the verse is recited by Sheikh Al Ghamdy, please listen to the last word carefully and he has to prnounce it Aalimeen, with a Kasirah under the Lam, you can even see the Kasirah in the arabic text above:
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# if u listen to the same ghamdy reciting 29:15, u will hear him pronounce it "aalameen"...u can play it over as many times as u want, till it becomes clear to u! next, check the arabic text, u will even see the kasirah over laam in there!
Hmm, but I'm not talking about 29:15, what I'm talking about is 30:22
also no kasirah can be over any letter, the kasirah must be UNDER the letter, what you are talking about is called Fatiha, see how you lack Arabic
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# ergo, in 29:15 it should be read as "aalameen" and understood as worlds...goin by wat u urself write!
wrong, it should be read as Aalimeen, this proves that most traditionlists if not all are confused, Noah can only be a sign to those who know about him
Noah can never be a sign to the stars, nor the animals
do you get it pal?
why don't you use your brain instead of ranting non sense?
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so unless u start playing with the tashkeel...a la "kafir"...u ve no justification for saying that in 29:15 the word should be read as "aalimeen"!
the justification is the logic mister smart
why don't you answer this question:
is Noah a sign to the clouds?
that should slam dunk you for good
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again, u provided arabic text and ghamdy's recitation as proofs of somethin,
a proof that in such verse they got it right
again all the signs of Allah are to those who will be questioned and held accountable, why don't you uise one brain cell of yours and you should get it
let me ask you:
is Noah a sign to the donkeys?
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so it would be behooving to accept ur own proofs and acknowledge that in 29:15 it is "worlds" and not "knowledgeable"! ofcourse, u dont need to!
Well, what i will acceot is nothing but logic, for me Noah and any other sign from Allah can never be directed at the creatures that are not held avccountable, like the earth, the stars, the sun, the animals, etc etc
is that hard for you to understand? or are you trapped in the traditionlists confusion?
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## again...many non-muslims and wannabes attempt playin wid tashkil,
I donlt give a rat arse about such people, I only use my brain and the common sense
now the brain and the common sense suggest that the signs of Allah can never be for the animals and many other creatures, therefore the word Aalameen (worlds) can never fit logicallly
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and i dont concern myself wid dem; nor am i goin to concern myself with u over this!
# take care, bud...salam! (-:
Great, however you have refuted nothing
Salam
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Tue 12 Feb, 2008 7:10 am
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Great, however you have refuted nothing
# in typical wannabe/hypocrite style u have resorted to refusing what u urself offer as proof, and ve started talking abt logic which, funnily enuf, is the farthest thing away from ur mindless ramblings!
## the wannabes at freeminds make smarter arguments than u can...so i wldnt concern myself with lesser wannabes/hypocrites!
and unlike ur more intelligent counterparts u dont even merit a consideration...atleast come up with a semblance of logic if u expect a refutation! :-S
## take care, matey...salam! (-:
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# in typical wannabe/hypocrite style u have resorted to refusing what u urself offer as proof,
Look sir, you really talk non sense and I had enough of your rants, you have failed to express what you want to say or refute, till this moment I really don't get what you want to say and I believe nor anyone who read this thread
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and ve started talking abt logic which, funnily enuf, is the farthest thing away from ur mindless ramblings!
dismissed and I guess Ii have to dismiss the rest of your crap
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## the wannabes at freeminds make smarter arguments than u can...so i wldnt concern myself with lesser wannabes/hypocrites!
and unlike ur more intelligent counterparts u dont even merit a consideration...atleast come up with a semblance of logic if u expect a refutation! :-S
## take care, matey...salam! (-:
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Tue 12 Feb, 2008 6:19 pm
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Look sir, you really talk non sense and I had enough of your rants, you have failed to express what you want to say or refute, till this moment I really don't get what you want to say and I believe nor anyone who read this thread
# u can hardly speak for urself, bud...so dont bother speakin for all!
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dismissed and I guess Ii have to dismiss the rest of your crap
# lolz...now ghamdy's recitation and arabic text is crap...typical!
...anyway, u ve gone from "wannabeism" (abusing tashkil) to hypocrisy...not too far away from...? :-S
## take care, matey! (-:
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Tue 12 Feb, 2008 6:49 pm
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Look sir, you really talk non sense and I had enough of your rants, you have failed to express what you want to say or refute, till this moment I really don't get what you want to say and I believe nor anyone who read this thread
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# u can hardly speak for urself, bud...so dont bother speakin for all!
hmmm, so you want to divert the the thread into a slandering shit, well, you won't even be able to be at par with me, however it seems you are totally confused, see the keyword above "Believe", i.e. i was not speaking for all, I only suggested that those who read this thread understood nothing of your rants, "A BELIEF", i/ fukin. e. I may be wrong, got it, pal
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dismissed and I guess Ii have to dismiss the rest of your crap
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# lolz...now ghamdy's recitation and arabic text is crap...typical!
...anyway, u ve gone from "wannabeism" (abusing tashkil) to hypocrisy...not too far away from...? :-S
## take care, matey! (-:
again, I'm not intending to divert this thread to a slandering game, you failed to understand what this thread is all about as well acted like a complete B****, therefore I have to continue dismissing your crap
salam
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Tue 12 Feb, 2008 6:54 pm
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# u r dirt, bud...n u r rite...it's tuf bein at par wid dirt... :-S
## as for slanderin, u wer the 1 who has made a habit of it; i simply described u (-: ...and a typical hypocrite wid pathetic memory cant help bein anythin but dirt!
...n stop whinin n moanin...puhleez :-S
# take care, matey...salam! (-:
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Tue 12 Feb, 2008 7:27 pm
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To brother Life
can you please clean this thread from the crap started by the, please split it and remove it to the rubbish bin, if you can't do it, please let me know and I will do it
cheers
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Brother Life, don't worry about splitting it, let's keep it as evidences, I have already locked the thread
cheers
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Tue 12 Feb, 2008 7:35 pm
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Hi,
I was away last few days and look what has happend. I advise 'THE' goto arcade cafe and chill out. However for above abusive posts you are demoded.
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